Trump intends the deport all the illegal immigrants beginning the day he takes office. He intends to use the military to hasten the project. Along with hiring tens of thousands of civil servants constructing deportation camps and conducting raids.
Rumors from mainstream media are that these illegals contribute billions to the economy In purchasing power. Not mentioned are slave wages that they receive working VITAL jobs that Americans don't want to do mainly due to low wages and unsavory working conditions . The majority of these are farming, construction, and hospitality ( tourism). ( It begs the question- How did these people get the jobs given the ID requirements of today?)
The beginning raids will be conducted at the businesses that the illegals are working in. First, The business will be shut down for however long it takes to verify immigration status. Then, the business will be crippled For however long it takes to replace the employees that are removed. Has a consequence businesses Will either have to raise wages or work understaffed. In the case a farming crops with rotten the field, meat packing facilities will be shut down resulting in higher prices for food Or shortages. It will be similar in other industries.
Trump also Intends to impose huge tariffs on imports. Price increases will be passed on to the consumer. Since we now have little to no manufacturing In the US prices for virtually everything will increase substantially.
Optimistically It will take 5 to 10 years bring manufacturing back to the US. Manufacturing facilities will need to be set up, machinery purchased, and skilled labor need to be found.
I think you're being overly optimistic In a year and a half estimate. Given the federal debt The collapse is either here or is already started. Inflation Doesn't include the cost of essentials. Essentials should be the first and foremost statistic In the inflation report. The economics system Is rigged. A report I heard on NPR yesterday quoted that the highest inflation In the last 4 years was 9%. From what I recall the last 4 years Inflation reportedly maxed out at 4% according to the Federal Reserve . The solution was to put people out of work to lower inflation . During Covid millions of people were put out of work. How many lost their homes? How many lost their life savings? Another transfer of wealth upwards.
In the coming year we'll see the military running around our streets, hyperinflation, and the implementation of 2025. Something that was written for Trump But he's never heard of it.
The Devils in the details and now the devil is in the White House.
You just said what I intended to say; expelling migrant workers will drive up food costs and manufacturing costs, tarifs will drive millions into poverty and destitution, and politicisation of government will mean huge sums wasted, diverted into rich people's pockets and never reaching the economy.
All that said, Musk has said Trump intends to crash the economy as soon as possible. In doing so he will create a major depression allowing the megarich to steal the most fundamental elements of the economy; energy, food production, transport, manufacturing and the military industrials.
I believe he will also steal private investments, pensions and even physical gold (as the American gov't has done before), both to take the wealth into his and other billionaires pockets, but also to force Americans back into low paid work, and into compliance.
As for the timescale? I think the plans are being put in place now with these crazy appointments, and that Trump's Inauguration Speech may well be the moment he declares the Country is in a state of emergency due to Biden and Harris, and so he will announce emergency measures, including calling out the military to control the population, arrest illegal migrants and deport millions. Shock and awe!
His emergency measures may well include bank controls, freezing financial transfers and foreign exchange controls to avoid money fleeing the country. I doubt he'll care about people leaving, and certainly many migrants, both legal and undocumented, will run before getting hassled or incarcerated. But he will stop money leaving.
There is, of course, much more, but I'm just saying the financial crash could be much quicker, more comprehensive and actually deliberate, so no measures will be implemented to cushion the fall. In fact it could easily end up a permanent resetting of the American economy at a lower and poorer level.
Why would Trump want that? Well, perhaps because Putin would want that. Just guessing.....
"The beginning raids will be conducted at the businesses that the illegals are working in. First, The business will be shut down for however long it takes to verify immigration status. Then, the business will be crippled For however long it takes to replace the employees that are removed."
This already happened in the last Trump administration.
My brother worked at a huge, 40-acre greenhouse. Before Trump I, employees had to file I-9 forms. They'd disappear for a few days, and come back with valid-looking I-9 forms, which the employer would accept in good faith.
But Trump I made it the employer's responsibility to vouch for those forms, with heavy penalties threatened, including criminal charges.
Overnight, they laid off 30% of the greenhouse staff. Some of them had been there 30 years. Some were supervisors and managers. It took several years for the greenhouse to be in the black again. When they did come back, the cost of their products had nearly doubled — as did the cost of all other greenhouse products in the country.
It's not just financial collapse. It's collapse of civilized society on a worldwide scale. And macro economics states it always ends in war. Economist Umair Haque explains it all here:
Hyperinflation is a much misunderstood and frequently incorrectly used term. By hyperinflation do you mean an increase in the rate of growth of average prices of at least 50% per month? Moreover, hyperinflations are triggered by a foreign debt crisis. Where is the evidence the US is not going to be able to repay its creditors? One should not confuse rapid domestic inflation with hyperinflation unless the state is creating currency specifically to repay its foreign debts. This serves to continually devalue the currency with each successive new issuance. Rapid domestic inflation of the Weimar. Zimbabwe, Venezuela type is a symptom of hyperinflation but not its cause. This rapid domestic inflation results from workers pressurising employers to pay higher nominal wages to try to maintain their real standard of living thus eing able to keep affording ever more expensive imported goods.
Trump will be the perfect president to finish what Reagan started with his business practices. Is it a coincidence Trump Was being promoted Back in the '80s on Good Morning America and then further with The Apprentice? That's when the financial collapse started.
The Immigration crisis has been going on for decades replacing Americans with cheap labor. Wage stagnation was a result. Offshoring jobs Was probably the major contributor. It wasn't limited to just manufacturing. Back in 2000 immigration laws We're changed to allow foreigners to replace Americans In the IT industry As an example. They could work here for half the wages Send the money home and retire after a few years In their own country.
American workers were Attacked by our government From within And from without From government instituted policies.
Americans have been programmed to respond to Any criticism of this with "You're a racist, Americans don't want to work, Americans are lazy, Americans don't work hard enough, etc".
Americans have been primarily reduced to working For food and some type of shelter. Any other possessions They have the bank owns. Including thier home. Bought on credit.
My opinion Is that the crisis Is an excuse designed to put boots on the ground to prevent Any uprising of Americans.
Is it also possible that financial collapse is their goal? The rich always prosper during such crises (9/11 aftermath, 2008, Covid…) when they scoop up distressed assets for pennies on the dollar. I think this crew’s actions can best be understood as based in a mob-boss mindset. And thus far there is little opposition.
Financial colapse would reduce American emissions but also slow any advancement in cleaner energy and simply just make America weaker to Russia and China.
Crashing the economy is a feature not a bug for trump and his gang of transnational billionaire backers. The Jekyl Island boys of our time. We are not prepared for the shitstorm to come. They are crashing the economy of the world, not just the US.
Though miniature in size compared to US, just look at the proceedings in the country lead by the great friend and exemplary politician for Trump: Hungary of Orbán. Most of the predicted developments are there to make Hungary to the bottom of Europe.
I follow Nate Hagens and the Great Simplification podcast as well. From what various economic/financial experts have said there - as well as elsewhere - we are in for a global economic reset. My impression is that it will be a hard reset that will completely destabilize conventional governance. Military, border security, police, and private security groups around the world are likely to be fused into quasi-public forces serving large corporations and the very wealthy who will have invested in preparations for the collapse.
I think of Margaret Atwood’s novels that followed “The Handmaid’s Tale” as being pretty fair approximations of what will follow, except that Octavia E. Butler’s much grittier, more violent scenarios seem even more likely.
I am working to help make local beloved community where I am, and I have no illusions about the odds for survival. One thing we can do is to prepare ourselves and those we choose - and some who we simply find ourselves nearby - to find ways to survive what is likely to be a nearly impossible future.
I think we will likely soon see a USA where people have trouble getting essential medicines, medical care, food, fuel, and water. Reducing people to abject poverty will weed out those who are considered to be “useless” or “noncompliant” in various regions. Personal safety will be precarious at best, and so many will beg for martial law and draconian militarized policing.
We will see what happens. Nobody knows for sure. Hang on to your hats….gloves…shoes…socks…and so forth and so on.
May we every once in awhile stop and look around and say to ourselves “My, but if this isn’t nice, I don’t know what is!” along the way. (Thanks to Kurt Vonnegut, RIP)
Trump intends the deport all the illegal immigrants beginning the day he takes office. He intends to use the military to hasten the project. Along with hiring tens of thousands of civil servants constructing deportation camps and conducting raids.
Rumors from mainstream media are that these illegals contribute billions to the economy In purchasing power. Not mentioned are slave wages that they receive working VITAL jobs that Americans don't want to do mainly due to low wages and unsavory working conditions . The majority of these are farming, construction, and hospitality ( tourism). ( It begs the question- How did these people get the jobs given the ID requirements of today?)
The beginning raids will be conducted at the businesses that the illegals are working in. First, The business will be shut down for however long it takes to verify immigration status. Then, the business will be crippled For however long it takes to replace the employees that are removed. Has a consequence businesses Will either have to raise wages or work understaffed. In the case a farming crops with rotten the field, meat packing facilities will be shut down resulting in higher prices for food Or shortages. It will be similar in other industries.
Trump also Intends to impose huge tariffs on imports. Price increases will be passed on to the consumer. Since we now have little to no manufacturing In the US prices for virtually everything will increase substantially.
Optimistically It will take 5 to 10 years bring manufacturing back to the US. Manufacturing facilities will need to be set up, machinery purchased, and skilled labor need to be found.
I think you're being overly optimistic In a year and a half estimate. Given the federal debt The collapse is either here or is already started. Inflation Doesn't include the cost of essentials. Essentials should be the first and foremost statistic In the inflation report. The economics system Is rigged. A report I heard on NPR yesterday quoted that the highest inflation In the last 4 years was 9%. From what I recall the last 4 years Inflation reportedly maxed out at 4% according to the Federal Reserve . The solution was to put people out of work to lower inflation . During Covid millions of people were put out of work. How many lost their homes? How many lost their life savings? Another transfer of wealth upwards.
In the coming year we'll see the military running around our streets, hyperinflation, and the implementation of 2025. Something that was written for Trump But he's never heard of it.
The Devils in the details and now the devil is in the White House.
You just said what I intended to say; expelling migrant workers will drive up food costs and manufacturing costs, tarifs will drive millions into poverty and destitution, and politicisation of government will mean huge sums wasted, diverted into rich people's pockets and never reaching the economy.
All that said, Musk has said Trump intends to crash the economy as soon as possible. In doing so he will create a major depression allowing the megarich to steal the most fundamental elements of the economy; energy, food production, transport, manufacturing and the military industrials.
I believe he will also steal private investments, pensions and even physical gold (as the American gov't has done before), both to take the wealth into his and other billionaires pockets, but also to force Americans back into low paid work, and into compliance.
As for the timescale? I think the plans are being put in place now with these crazy appointments, and that Trump's Inauguration Speech may well be the moment he declares the Country is in a state of emergency due to Biden and Harris, and so he will announce emergency measures, including calling out the military to control the population, arrest illegal migrants and deport millions. Shock and awe!
His emergency measures may well include bank controls, freezing financial transfers and foreign exchange controls to avoid money fleeing the country. I doubt he'll care about people leaving, and certainly many migrants, both legal and undocumented, will run before getting hassled or incarcerated. But he will stop money leaving.
There is, of course, much more, but I'm just saying the financial crash could be much quicker, more comprehensive and actually deliberate, so no measures will be implemented to cushion the fall. In fact it could easily end up a permanent resetting of the American economy at a lower and poorer level.
Why would Trump want that? Well, perhaps because Putin would want that. Just guessing.....
"The beginning raids will be conducted at the businesses that the illegals are working in. First, The business will be shut down for however long it takes to verify immigration status. Then, the business will be crippled For however long it takes to replace the employees that are removed."
This already happened in the last Trump administration.
My brother worked at a huge, 40-acre greenhouse. Before Trump I, employees had to file I-9 forms. They'd disappear for a few days, and come back with valid-looking I-9 forms, which the employer would accept in good faith.
But Trump I made it the employer's responsibility to vouch for those forms, with heavy penalties threatened, including criminal charges.
Overnight, they laid off 30% of the greenhouse staff. Some of them had been there 30 years. Some were supervisors and managers. It took several years for the greenhouse to be in the black again. When they did come back, the cost of their products had nearly doubled — as did the cost of all other greenhouse products in the country.
All these threats are so disruptive, whether or not they are implemented. So much unnecessary chaos and pain.
All those "illegal" workers were paying taxes and Social Security that they could never hope to collect.
As a current SS recipient, I worry a bit about that.
I saw some data that 54% of workers in restaurants are illegal immigrant (paywalled FT https://on.ft.com/3V0fg2b)
Many of these businesses can only survive on oppressively low wages.
It's not just financial collapse. It's collapse of civilized society on a worldwide scale. And macro economics states it always ends in war. Economist Umair Haque explains it all here:
https://www.theissue.io/the-growing-reality-of-civilizational-collapse/
Hyperinflation is a much misunderstood and frequently incorrectly used term. By hyperinflation do you mean an increase in the rate of growth of average prices of at least 50% per month? Moreover, hyperinflations are triggered by a foreign debt crisis. Where is the evidence the US is not going to be able to repay its creditors? One should not confuse rapid domestic inflation with hyperinflation unless the state is creating currency specifically to repay its foreign debts. This serves to continually devalue the currency with each successive new issuance. Rapid domestic inflation of the Weimar. Zimbabwe, Venezuela type is a symptom of hyperinflation but not its cause. This rapid domestic inflation results from workers pressurising employers to pay higher nominal wages to try to maintain their real standard of living thus eing able to keep affording ever more expensive imported goods.
Thanks for flesh ing out my comment a bit more.
Trump will be the perfect president to finish what Reagan started with his business practices. Is it a coincidence Trump Was being promoted Back in the '80s on Good Morning America and then further with The Apprentice? That's when the financial collapse started.
The Immigration crisis has been going on for decades replacing Americans with cheap labor. Wage stagnation was a result. Offshoring jobs Was probably the major contributor. It wasn't limited to just manufacturing. Back in 2000 immigration laws We're changed to allow foreigners to replace Americans In the IT industry As an example. They could work here for half the wages Send the money home and retire after a few years In their own country.
American workers were Attacked by our government From within And from without From government instituted policies.
Americans have been programmed to respond to Any criticism of this with "You're a racist, Americans don't want to work, Americans are lazy, Americans don't work hard enough, etc".
Americans have been primarily reduced to working For food and some type of shelter. Any other possessions They have the bank owns. Including thier home. Bought on credit.
My opinion Is that the crisis Is an excuse designed to put boots on the ground to prevent Any uprising of Americans.
Markets like stability. Anyone feel like things are stable?
Is it also possible that financial collapse is their goal? The rich always prosper during such crises (9/11 aftermath, 2008, Covid…) when they scoop up distressed assets for pennies on the dollar. I think this crew’s actions can best be understood as based in a mob-boss mindset. And thus far there is little opposition.
Financial colapse would reduce American emissions but also slow any advancement in cleaner energy and simply just make America weaker to Russia and China.
Crashing the economy is a feature not a bug for trump and his gang of transnational billionaire backers. The Jekyl Island boys of our time. We are not prepared for the shitstorm to come. They are crashing the economy of the world, not just the US.
Good riddance Murca, as soon as I knew your real face I hated you
@that point, the Table would have long ago been consumed in the fireplace for heat. Now the food part, two Horses. Not eating my Kats.
#WorkforceColapse2025
Though miniature in size compared to US, just look at the proceedings in the country lead by the great friend and exemplary politician for Trump: Hungary of Orbán. Most of the predicted developments are there to make Hungary to the bottom of Europe.
Our Elected Representatives and Senators better not let this happen.
Thanks for the warning.
I follow Nate Hagens and the Great Simplification podcast as well. From what various economic/financial experts have said there - as well as elsewhere - we are in for a global economic reset. My impression is that it will be a hard reset that will completely destabilize conventional governance. Military, border security, police, and private security groups around the world are likely to be fused into quasi-public forces serving large corporations and the very wealthy who will have invested in preparations for the collapse.
I think of Margaret Atwood’s novels that followed “The Handmaid’s Tale” as being pretty fair approximations of what will follow, except that Octavia E. Butler’s much grittier, more violent scenarios seem even more likely.
I am working to help make local beloved community where I am, and I have no illusions about the odds for survival. One thing we can do is to prepare ourselves and those we choose - and some who we simply find ourselves nearby - to find ways to survive what is likely to be a nearly impossible future.
I think we will likely soon see a USA where people have trouble getting essential medicines, medical care, food, fuel, and water. Reducing people to abject poverty will weed out those who are considered to be “useless” or “noncompliant” in various regions. Personal safety will be precarious at best, and so many will beg for martial law and draconian militarized policing.
We will see what happens. Nobody knows for sure. Hang on to your hats….gloves…shoes…socks…and so forth and so on.
May we every once in awhile stop and look around and say to ourselves “My, but if this isn’t nice, I don’t know what is!” along the way. (Thanks to Kurt Vonnegut, RIP)
Oh. Much quicker.