As you have described, there is a certain complacency here because we have yet to experience the worst of climate climate fallout. The situation with oil is an example of where we are headed. Trump is selling off much of our Strategic Petroleum Reserve, chiefly to tamp down the world price of oil and keep things under control until the mid-term elections. We will run out soon, as tank bottoms are being reported by oil experts and even by CEOs of the oil companies.
What do we think will happen when world food supplies are threatened by the climate crisis? Do you think magnanimous food companies and farmers will first think of U.S. consumers? They will not. They will sell to the highest bidders, threatening domestic supplies and certainly causing food prices here to skyrocket. Keep believing the climate crisis is only being visited on others. Stand by to stand by. Our turn is coming.
Notice how little is being reported on the airwaves about diesel. So long as Americans can currently fill their tank, go on vacation, go to work, go to the ball game and drive to the grocery store they will be content.
The only slight problem is that grocery store shelves are filled with deliveries from diesel trucks. Diesel is predicted to run out first.
No deliveries equal no food. No food equals no people. Was the Iran war staged with this agenda in mind all along? Let's hope not.
The climate crisis will definitely make things worse, and there's no way to predict what will happen or when in such a complex system
Then there's AI. That will contribute in every way. I also wonder, if the rich and powerful have AI robots, how many people will be needed vs how many will be seen as nothing more than a resource drain and general nuisance
One of the early selling points touted by AI was that it would replace employees. When the pushback started against that prediction, the industry quickly abandoned that “advantage” in its advertising as it was focusing resistance against it.
The controlling sentence is the last: “l believe we’ll find out how deep this abyss goes in a couple months, after mid-term elections.” The signs (including yesterday’s primaries and the plunging polls for the Trump regime) provide encouragement that the majority of Americans will insist on voting overwhelmingly to start bringing the regime to an end. I don’t undervalue the administration’s potency in attempting to pervert the elections, but I also do not discount the power of the people to prevail.
This battle is against only one form of collapse, but it is the key battle to take action against all other perils. Addressing collapse requires that we prioritize the battles that provide the greatest defense of the public. Yes, we are experiencing the consequences of ignoring climate scientists’ warnings and we will face far worse, but we need to support mitigation of those effects for the most people possible (not to mention addressing many other disparities). Turning back this regime is key to doing so.
The ICE budget is bigger than that of the Russian military, and I don't think those concentration warehouses, where people are being abused and dying, are meant only for (dehumanized) immigrants
The focus on the Nazis was always on "what" and not "how". I personally never felt the "what" was nearly as important as the "how" so I paid attention over the years wherever an authoritarian takeover occurred
Bottom line: I agree. Shit is just going to get worse and most people are far too complacent due to the "sense of normalcy" in their day to day
Ultimately, I think it's going to be a mix between the "Sanford Prison Experiment" and "Milligram's Electric Shock Experiment" on a US scale unless and until shit finally errupts
How do I put it let’s see… DHS by investment is the third largest military in the world. Its armament is for soft targets. It is directed entirely inward, and then… yeah those internment camps. The rhetoric of the enemy within has expanded to include half the population (dumocrats). The actions of the regime don’t help the other half of the population (MAGA).
Let’s see - dot a to dot b to dot c and what do you have?
I can see that. I think that's where the concentration warehouses come in to play. The Stanford and Milgram factors will be part of the lead up and will continue within and outside the camps
Like you said Sarah, “It’s already happening.” I personally am not at all optimistic that it will be stopped, as history shows. The fact is, we live in a violent nation.
Of course, the 21st century will also be an age of genocide. This began at the start of the 20th century and hasn't stopped since. Let's be honest with ourselves: if the Israeli government decided to exterminate all the Palestinians living there, well, who would stand up to stop it? Who would be capable of taking action? And in the climate crisis, which encompasses the entire planet, it's initially about prosperity, but ultimately, it will only be about survival. That will be brutal.
“I envision mandatory unarmed combat training for the populace as we run out of ammunition, fighting to keep out a billion desperate migrants. I see us electing fascists eager to build walls and teach our children the mentalities of barbarism: the inhumane attitudes and methods necessary to keep everyone else out of our boat. Let’s hope none of them have nukes.
Am I catastrophising? Perhaps - though Europe lurching far right when faced with a mere million Syrian refugees wasn’t exactly reassuring.
— Collapse - Part 2/5: Depression”
It doesn’t take fascism to go this route. All it takes is sheer desperation and a fight for pure survival.
Not all nations will go this route. But some will.
The US will certainly build The Wall, probably right about when they default on their out-of-control, spiralling national debt. Both political parties will quickly agree on that.
Jack Nicholsen’s performance in A Few Good Men was convincing because the sentiment so clearly reflects the average US citizen’s IRL:
“You WANT me on that wall. You NEED me on that wall.”
I've been to Morocco. Moroccans are wonderful, positive, genuine, happy people. But for many, there are few opportunities. They aren't angry or violent, just hungry for a better life.
And yes, if 60,000 young Muslim men had charged the US border, it would have been a massacre.
St. Paul—"Our battle is not with each other but with ideologies; chiefly, that darkness can extinguish light". The abyss of ignorance and darkness is remedied by switching on the light. Enough of us just have to remember where the light switch is, and how terrible the darkness can be. Sarah thanks for your continued challenges and common sense warnings! Question for fellow hope chasers and/or doom scrollers: What do we do when we switch on the light but the bulb is dead? https://substack.com/@capitalizedcitizenship/note/p-184211154?r=73xq8n&utm_source=notes-share-action&utm_medium=web
Interestingly, Malcolm Nance on Substack is a retired Naval intelligence officer. He said the Ceuta attack was definitely a coordinated Information Op designed to put pressure on Spain for not helping with the Iran war. He was proven correct a few days later. Just one more puzzle piece.
You know, I sometimes think that Trump, a heartless, malignant narcissist, is...or perhaps was, prescient...in a heartless, malignantly narcissistic way...in building the wall and pursuing any immigrant in order to expell them in an attempt to keep them from using...consuming...'our' resources. That it's counterproductive and wasteful of the very resources he seems to want to conserve for 'true' Americans, is just a byproduct of his and his supporters, failure to consider 2nd and 3rd order effects.
This; because you are sadly, probably on to something. Mass migrations will increase and the potential for destabilization and chaos wherever and whenever they occur, are going to result in severe reactions by whatever native population and government are able to muster.
The 'cures' or solutions...aside from being unpopular and 'harmful' to economies...will not be enacted for that very reason...which will in no way prevent the harm to those economies and impacted populations.
I expect quite a bit of chaos and carnage near borders and adjacent coastal areas... because we refuse to take climate change seriously.
Many in the US are under the impression that we will be okay...but I doubt it. People will be forced to flee the southwest, other areas too, probably.
When? Much too soon... more than that I couldn't say. At 66 years old, I think I could live to see this, but I hope not, because once that ball gets rolling... things will fall apart very quickly.
The massacres are already here. It’s just that they haven’t reached the so-called west yet. So people don’t care. Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, West Bank, most of the African continent. Morocco and Israel caused the problems in Ceuta and Melilla because Spain stands with Gaza. Bombed daily, starved, no water, electricity, etc etc. I left the collapse movement because for me it was too selfish always worried about itself. Not worried about the vast bulk of humanity and nature that white people have destroyed. Selfish.
I think it is inevitable that at some point we will see a massacre of Bangladeshis at the Indian border. They already have a shoot to kill policy and have killed thousands over the last couple decades but I envisage an event on a scale we haven't seen before.
Bangladesh is not going to be able to support its population as land is lost to the sea and will struggle to afford to import food as food prices rice. People may be faced with the choice between staying put and starving or trying to move elsewhere to find food and for many that will mean crossing into India.
Under Modi the Hindutvas have been increasingly agitating against Bangladeshis and Muslims in general. It just seems inevitable that there is going to be an issue there. I could see that being proactive on India's behalf resulting in killings before mass migration even occurs.
Yes, the massacres are probably coming but its not from who you think it is. You can't pack wildly different cultures with radically different moral values into one place and expect everyone to magically get along. That is patently ridiculous. The "melting pot" is going to blow up in your face.
The radical left is insane for thinking its possible. ICE raid violence is a pale horse beside the daily violence playing out in inner cities all across the US. Foreign gangs at war with each other and anyone who happens to be around.
Globally, Trump is weakening the democratic alliance while his failed attacks on Iran are pushing it towards the other dictators such as Putin, Xi and Kim.
This is why a recent survey of Australians found 80% believe Trump cannot be trusted, the same % distrust we have towards Putin and Xi.
Trump is alienating America's allies at the exact time the democracies really need to stand together.
Will Americans submit to the dictator Trump, or will there be a civil war?
As you have described, there is a certain complacency here because we have yet to experience the worst of climate climate fallout. The situation with oil is an example of where we are headed. Trump is selling off much of our Strategic Petroleum Reserve, chiefly to tamp down the world price of oil and keep things under control until the mid-term elections. We will run out soon, as tank bottoms are being reported by oil experts and even by CEOs of the oil companies.
What do we think will happen when world food supplies are threatened by the climate crisis? Do you think magnanimous food companies and farmers will first think of U.S. consumers? They will not. They will sell to the highest bidders, threatening domestic supplies and certainly causing food prices here to skyrocket. Keep believing the climate crisis is only being visited on others. Stand by to stand by. Our turn is coming.
Notice how little is being reported on the airwaves about diesel. So long as Americans can currently fill their tank, go on vacation, go to work, go to the ball game and drive to the grocery store they will be content.
The only slight problem is that grocery store shelves are filled with deliveries from diesel trucks. Diesel is predicted to run out first.
No deliveries equal no food. No food equals no people. Was the Iran war staged with this agenda in mind all along? Let's hope not.
The climate crisis will definitely make things worse, and there's no way to predict what will happen or when in such a complex system
Then there's AI. That will contribute in every way. I also wonder, if the rich and powerful have AI robots, how many people will be needed vs how many will be seen as nothing more than a resource drain and general nuisance
One of the early selling points touted by AI was that it would replace employees. When the pushback started against that prediction, the industry quickly abandoned that “advantage” in its advertising as it was focusing resistance against it.
Yeah, when they can get AI to do it, who needs people? They need that water, electricity, and land for AI 😆
The controlling sentence is the last: “l believe we’ll find out how deep this abyss goes in a couple months, after mid-term elections.” The signs (including yesterday’s primaries and the plunging polls for the Trump regime) provide encouragement that the majority of Americans will insist on voting overwhelmingly to start bringing the regime to an end. I don’t undervalue the administration’s potency in attempting to pervert the elections, but I also do not discount the power of the people to prevail.
This battle is against only one form of collapse, but it is the key battle to take action against all other perils. Addressing collapse requires that we prioritize the battles that provide the greatest defense of the public. Yes, we are experiencing the consequences of ignoring climate scientists’ warnings and we will face far worse, but we need to support mitigation of those effects for the most people possible (not to mention addressing many other disparities). Turning back this regime is key to doing so.
The ICE budget is bigger than that of the Russian military, and I don't think those concentration warehouses, where people are being abused and dying, are meant only for (dehumanized) immigrants
The focus on the Nazis was always on "what" and not "how". I personally never felt the "what" was nearly as important as the "how" so I paid attention over the years wherever an authoritarian takeover occurred
Bottom line: I agree. Shit is just going to get worse and most people are far too complacent due to the "sense of normalcy" in their day to day
Ultimately, I think it's going to be a mix between the "Sanford Prison Experiment" and "Milligram's Electric Shock Experiment" on a US scale unless and until shit finally errupts
You’ve been inside my head.
How do I put it let’s see… DHS by investment is the third largest military in the world. Its armament is for soft targets. It is directed entirely inward, and then… yeah those internment camps. The rhetoric of the enemy within has expanded to include half the population (dumocrats). The actions of the regime don’t help the other half of the population (MAGA).
Let’s see - dot a to dot b to dot c and what do you have?
I agree. I fear it's going to be more like Stalin's Russia.
I can see that. I think that's where the concentration warehouses come in to play. The Stanford and Milgram factors will be part of the lead up and will continue within and outside the camps
Like you said Sarah, “It’s already happening.” I personally am not at all optimistic that it will be stopped, as history shows. The fact is, we live in a violent nation.
Of course, the 21st century will also be an age of genocide. This began at the start of the 20th century and hasn't stopped since. Let's be honest with ourselves: if the Israeli government decided to exterminate all the Palestinians living there, well, who would stand up to stop it? Who would be capable of taking action? And in the climate crisis, which encompasses the entire planet, it's initially about prosperity, but ultimately, it will only be about survival. That will be brutal.
In 2024 I wrote
“I envision mandatory unarmed combat training for the populace as we run out of ammunition, fighting to keep out a billion desperate migrants. I see us electing fascists eager to build walls and teach our children the mentalities of barbarism: the inhumane attitudes and methods necessary to keep everyone else out of our boat. Let’s hope none of them have nukes.
Am I catastrophising? Perhaps - though Europe lurching far right when faced with a mere million Syrian refugees wasn’t exactly reassuring.
— Collapse - Part 2/5: Depression”
It doesn’t take fascism to go this route. All it takes is sheer desperation and a fight for pure survival.
Not all nations will go this route. But some will.
The US will certainly build The Wall, probably right about when they default on their out-of-control, spiralling national debt. Both political parties will quickly agree on that.
Jack Nicholsen’s performance in A Few Good Men was convincing because the sentiment so clearly reflects the average US citizen’s IRL:
“You WANT me on that wall. You NEED me on that wall.”
I've been to Morocco. Moroccans are wonderful, positive, genuine, happy people. But for many, there are few opportunities. They aren't angry or violent, just hungry for a better life.
And yes, if 60,000 young Muslim men had charged the US border, it would have been a massacre.
St. Paul—"Our battle is not with each other but with ideologies; chiefly, that darkness can extinguish light". The abyss of ignorance and darkness is remedied by switching on the light. Enough of us just have to remember where the light switch is, and how terrible the darkness can be. Sarah thanks for your continued challenges and common sense warnings! Question for fellow hope chasers and/or doom scrollers: What do we do when we switch on the light but the bulb is dead? https://substack.com/@capitalizedcitizenship/note/p-184211154?r=73xq8n&utm_source=notes-share-action&utm_medium=web
Interestingly, Malcolm Nance on Substack is a retired Naval intelligence officer. He said the Ceuta attack was definitely a coordinated Information Op designed to put pressure on Spain for not helping with the Iran war. He was proven correct a few days later. Just one more puzzle piece.
The Concise has information on it tied to the US Senate funding.
You know, I sometimes think that Trump, a heartless, malignant narcissist, is...or perhaps was, prescient...in a heartless, malignantly narcissistic way...in building the wall and pursuing any immigrant in order to expell them in an attempt to keep them from using...consuming...'our' resources. That it's counterproductive and wasteful of the very resources he seems to want to conserve for 'true' Americans, is just a byproduct of his and his supporters, failure to consider 2nd and 3rd order effects.
This; because you are sadly, probably on to something. Mass migrations will increase and the potential for destabilization and chaos wherever and whenever they occur, are going to result in severe reactions by whatever native population and government are able to muster.
The 'cures' or solutions...aside from being unpopular and 'harmful' to economies...will not be enacted for that very reason...which will in no way prevent the harm to those economies and impacted populations.
I expect quite a bit of chaos and carnage near borders and adjacent coastal areas... because we refuse to take climate change seriously.
Many in the US are under the impression that we will be okay...but I doubt it. People will be forced to flee the southwest, other areas too, probably.
When? Much too soon... more than that I couldn't say. At 66 years old, I think I could live to see this, but I hope not, because once that ball gets rolling... things will fall apart very quickly.
Overpopulation devolves into this. Cannibalism will be the population’s solution to starvation following the collapse of modern society.
The massacres are already here. It’s just that they haven’t reached the so-called west yet. So people don’t care. Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, West Bank, most of the African continent. Morocco and Israel caused the problems in Ceuta and Melilla because Spain stands with Gaza. Bombed daily, starved, no water, electricity, etc etc. I left the collapse movement because for me it was too selfish always worried about itself. Not worried about the vast bulk of humanity and nature that white people have destroyed. Selfish.
I think it is inevitable that at some point we will see a massacre of Bangladeshis at the Indian border. They already have a shoot to kill policy and have killed thousands over the last couple decades but I envisage an event on a scale we haven't seen before.
Bangladesh is not going to be able to support its population as land is lost to the sea and will struggle to afford to import food as food prices rice. People may be faced with the choice between staying put and starving or trying to move elsewhere to find food and for many that will mean crossing into India.
Under Modi the Hindutvas have been increasingly agitating against Bangladeshis and Muslims in general. It just seems inevitable that there is going to be an issue there. I could see that being proactive on India's behalf resulting in killings before mass migration even occurs.
Yes, the massacres are probably coming but its not from who you think it is. You can't pack wildly different cultures with radically different moral values into one place and expect everyone to magically get along. That is patently ridiculous. The "melting pot" is going to blow up in your face.
The radical left is insane for thinking its possible. ICE raid violence is a pale horse beside the daily violence playing out in inner cities all across the US. Foreign gangs at war with each other and anyone who happens to be around.
With the building of ICE camps I didn't t think they were for immigration enforcement, along with the gutting of the usual checks and balances.
It's already happening under Trump.
Globally, Trump is weakening the democratic alliance while his failed attacks on Iran are pushing it towards the other dictators such as Putin, Xi and Kim.
This is why a recent survey of Australians found 80% believe Trump cannot be trusted, the same % distrust we have towards Putin and Xi.
Trump is alienating America's allies at the exact time the democracies really need to stand together.
Will Americans submit to the dictator Trump, or will there be a civil war?